Do you remember the ending of Scarface? Well, meth causes dopamine levels to go three times as high as cocaine, and the high lasts for twelve hours. Tweekers keep taking it and have no problem staying awake for days and days and days on end. I just had to call the cops the other day on a guy who was homeless, schizophrenic, and on I think meth. Sustainment kits: Buy caliber ammo cans and fill each one with Millennium bars, a bottle of water, a handful of caffeine tablets, naproxen sodium, 3 extra AA and 2 CR batteries, a light I like the Streamlight Siege , a tourniquet, a six-inch trauma bandage, ear plugs, and 2 loaded magazines.
Set these, along with a fire extinguisher, next to every window in your house. Then, each of the people who are with you has something already in place when it goes down. But, think about it. With your hand on the gun under the pillow next to you. Meth is a huge issue around here my uncle was a cop and on the task force for years.
He told me he had issues with tweekers pulling out taser barbs and he said he has seen tweekers take shotgun and pistol rounds and run. Razor wire actually is not a bad idea. I have plenty of food preps including a bag thats ready to go. It's scary to even think about I know for a fact there are ten cases of high brass 4's and at least twice that much in 7. I buy the 7. They make good, low recoil practice ammo and of course are handy for Doves and Quail Good to have around.
What is the best standard rounds is what fits your as WILL put it nitch. As you can see from the post Quarterbone did there is a great variety of ammunition and some of that ammunition works better than others for specific tasks. All we can do really is give as many others have thier preferences. Basically the right choice is what is right for you and like most things it should fit your shotgun philosophy. As for me, though we used shotguns in the service for guard duty like many others, I do not see it as a primary defensive weapon.
The shotgun's low cost, simplicity to operate, and limited range does have advantages so I do keep a good supply of 00 and slugs, however since it isn't primary for me then I go whatever is cheap and on sale. I bascially have Wolf 00 its cheap and Federal, Remington, and Winchester slugs.
I have a variety of these. Verstaitlity is kind of the name of the game. If I had to put one event in my life that impacted my shotgun philosphy most, it was most definately not using the shotgun in the service but the almost year in my life that for two weeks a month if I didn't shoot an animal then we didn't eat meat.
There's a hell of a difference between hunting to suppliment your diet and hunting for your diet. In the later sport doesn't enter into the equation at all, however how long or timing is the primary concern. Small game typically is more plentiful than large game and takes less time. Though large game hunting has a place in survival planning, so does small game. It is with small game the shotgun has a major advantage and how much an advantage dependent on your geography.
To ignore one over the other is limiting yoru survival odds. Obviously long distances over wide open spaces the shotgun is lacking to the rifle and advantage limited to close fast moving prey, however in thick foliage the shotgun really comes into it's own. Depending on how thick that foliage is you can actually be right on top of game before you know it having a very short amount of time to take your shot before it is once again lost in the foliage.
Many people can hunt a lifetime and never really understand this unless they had to in a survival situation and in summer which is NOT when typical hunting seasons are or tropical climates where the foliage does not go away in winter. In thick foliage right on top of the game before you know it , I find a smaller shot which spreads faster preferable to larger tighter groupings.
It is why if I had to put a what is the standard, I would say 7. I must not be too alone in this since that's what most stores stock the most of and most shotgun users buy the most. Now keep in mind survival hunting isn't tracking one specific game but game of opportunity.
It follows logically then to standardize on what will take the most game for your geography and stock a lessor amount for game opportunity.
Speed loading stocks and shotshell holders are excellent tools for storing secondary ammo for game of opportunity. To sum up then, I would say brand isn't that important. This isn't a precision weapon system. If you consider the shotgun can fill a nitch defensive role, then 00 and slugs fit both that nitch as well as large game of opportunity. Though I have a smidge of alot of stuff, my basic would 00, slugs, 7.
Quoted: Quoted: keep buck shot and slugs for hunting and bird shot for home defense and small game and birds. A good source of inexpensive shot ammo is Walmarts value pack. Locally its around I've seen in mostly in 7. I'd like to find a good cheap source for bulk loads to feed my new M6 scout. Cool article on history and legality of. From birdshot, buckshot to slugs.
Why rds? Why not ? When I was duck hunting days per season, I could only shoot up 2 or so cases. For example. You engage two bad guys per week with a shotgun and shoot 3 shells per target.
Do this every week for a year. And you have used just over shells. So you stockpile rds so you can do it every week for 3 years? And assume a mix of slug and buckshot use. So now you can do that week after week for six years? And add a deer a month and assume you suck and miss 2 out of Birdshot is different. It is easy to blast through rds while bird hunting if you suck with little to show for it.
And practicing wingshooting is ammo intensive. Plus, dont forget the biggest drawback to a shotgun. Ammo weight. A case of 12 shells is about 27 or 28 pounds. At shells per case, a rds will weigh over Buy shotgun ammo based on projected, realistic needs, not nice round numbers. Anybody got a link on how much ammo a soldier or marine in Vietnam carried for his shotgun?
Quoted: Buy shotgun ammo based on projected, realistic needs, not nice round numbers. Your principles are closer to my own I know I need more but I don't have any intention of having that much buckshot or slugs but the other shells I have far more use for. I have thousands of rounds for the , , 5,45x39, and 7,62x The shotgun is a backup to those "combat arms" but I think it would be more likely to be used to hep put a meal on the table even if it was nothing more then some skanky crow that got too close when I was hungry.
This has turned into an interesting debate just the same. I started my stash with a case of PMC "low recoil" 00 buck, purchased at a gunshow. In onesies and twosies, I've added to that with various brands of 00 buck and slugs; mainly Wolf. I've got a Knoxx SpecOps recoil reducing stock on it, so I'm not too worried about recoil. I was just considering the Fiocchi for the price.
I've got an 18" barrel and a 28" barrel. They are both smoothbore. Pathfinder Survival Demonstrator Posts: Karma: I shoot sabot slugs from a 18" smooth barrel. Accurate to 40 yards so far. That may explain the number of pellets per 00 buck round. And can you choke either barrel? How do you like the Knoxx stock. I have one for my Mossberg, but haven't got it on yet. Even 4 can go through a few walls.
Quote from: pathfinder on October 11, , PM. I went today and got a box, 3" magnum 00 buckshot 15 round remington is Gadget Senior Survivalist Posts: Karma: Regarding shotshell selection, figure on ALL ammunition penetrating interior house walls. With you having a pump shotgun, the reduced recoil shells will function fine but with a little less range than a full power shell.
A longer shell will allow more pellets. Law enforcement sometimes uses 8 pellet buckshot because the pellets tend to stay in a tighter pattern for a longer range. Either will do fine. Even birdshot will easily ruin an intruder's day within 25 yards.
The only problem comes when your target is VERY overweight or when he is wearing heavy clothing. It can stop or absorb some of the energy. I still wouldn't take the chance if I were the bad guy. With slugs, I attended a SWAT school about 10 years ago in which we primarily used shotguns for our long guns. We were able to hit a chest-size target with iron sights with the slugs from an 18" barrel at 75 yards regularly while under stress.
Having a shotgun for your only firearm at first is a great choice due to the versatility. Check gun shows for 00 buck in boxes of 50, or buy it in bulk online. For defense stock a supply of 4 shot, 00 buck, and slugs. The 4 is small enough that it will not penetrate the two layers of sheetrock commonly found in interior walls of a home.
I'm getting my shopping list together for my , and now looking at saddles and slings. I'm planning on buying a sling, but not having it attached unless something happens where I have to "wear" my SG.
The same with the saddle, I plan on buying a 6 round saddle by Mesa, but will install it if I need to. I've seen SGs with 25 round slings, 6 round saddle, another 4 rounds on the butt saddle, with a 25 round ammo belt.
That's 60 rounds additional to the ones in the magazine. So, if you had rounds, you can put as many on the SG itself and the remaining amount in your backpack, what would be reasonable amount that wouldn't hinder your movements, your aim, and just plainly the practicality of running around with a SG?
If i had a pack, i'd figure a way to strap it to that with quick access, but a shotgun would be my backup. I'd keep an AR or AK in my hands. If SHTF i don't plan on walking accross the country, I'll hunker down in the hills for a while and stash ammo in places i might need it. I got about rds packed in bandoleers for the AR and maybe rds for my 9MM ready to go. You can only carry so much ammo. You may end up needing to eat and birds and rabbits are easy kills.
Other than that you can get proficient with a slingshot for rabbit kills. I rather carry more ammo and less weapons than have all the great weapons with little ammo.
I have a small small 1 man tent that packs in a tube about 1 foot long and 5 -6 inch thick. There can never be enough ammo! With that said I would buy it cheap and stack it deep! If you need a lot ammo the a shotgun really isn't the best tool for the job. That's what rifles are for. Your post started off on the right track with "HD SG" then you went off. I would not choose the shotgun as a primary SHTF gun for walking the streets. Rifles make more sense for street duty for range and ammo carrying.
If you've got a support vehicle close by or are hunkered down in the house the shotgun is good. As for ammo, I'd keep at least 1k each of 00, slug, and birdshot on hand. As far as ammo carrying on a shotgun, side saddle, with a full tube. Forget about the bulky bandoleer and keep the rest on a vest in shotgun cards. If and when the SHTF, you won't be looking at targets out to yds.
You will be looking at close in targets that want to take what you have. A short barreled and a pistol will get the job done. Remember, if you have to hit the ground on the run, the weight you carry will effect how far and how fast you will be able to travel. Think Liberator Pistol. Keep 25rds of 6 shot, 25rds of buck shot, and a couple boxes of slugs on hand.
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